Any bjj player will tell you that himself.īJJ and Judo are both martial arts and martial sports. What does that prove? It proves that no art is perfect. BJJ guys have lost to pankration, shooto, wrestling, judo and other bjj. To start a thread like this really doesn't prove a thing. Actually, I wouldn't call any of those guys in pride pure bjj or judo. He was defeated not only by judo guys, but by other bjj guys. As for Ismael being defeated, yes he was defeated. Rightfully so, but it wasn't a clean victory. It took him almost 45 minutes to defeat Mario Sperry (who dominated and rode Zinoviev like a horse for close to an hour) via cut. The guy is a captain of a judo team, an accomplished sambo player (incorporating leg locks Judo is not known for), and a pro kickboxer. I happen to know some guys who trained with Igor Zinoviev. I think Kimura won, but even Kimura himself said that the fight should go to Helio who kept on fighting for over three hours with a broken arm. The fight between Helio and Kimura was never declared a victory for Kimura. I'd be surprised if he didn't win against a BJJ guy who was under Frye's weight. Don Frye was not only a Judo player, he was a top wrestler and a pro boxer. You have used a few examples of people who cross trained defeating some bjj guys. But the bouts ended in executions by judoka In both of these cases, these BJJ men were brave enough to challenge top judoka. (5) and (6) are records of what happened when top BJJ men fought top judoka. 1 man in BJJ) by punches on the ground in a vale tudo match. (6) In 1974, Wilhelm Ruska (1972 Olympics judo gold medalist in over 95kg class and absolute division) destroyed Iwan Gomes (then the no. Kimura defeated Helio on the ground using a ground technique which is supposed to be BJJ's strength. In this bout, Helio was unable to score any counter or reverse. Helio Gracie was hospitalized for multiple fractures. (5) Masahiko Kimura (7th dan BB undefeated for 13 years in judo) defeated Helio Gracie (the self-proclaimed founder of Gracie Jiu Jitsu) by breaking two bones in the left arm of Helio, by udegarami. These are four cases in which no name judoka defeated top BJJ fighters. (4) Yasuichi Ono choked out Jorge Gracie (Helio Gracie's older brother) circa 1950. Learn true judo, then you will learn to beat BJJ black belts on the ground. If BJJ is so much better than judo, then why did these top names in BJJ failed to apply any submission hold on the ground? The fact is that top BJJ fighters were defeated in NHB matches by no name judoka means that it is not very difficult for highly trained judoka to defend themselves against submission holds. After Don Frye won the Ultimate Ultimate 1996, Jeff Blatnick said to Frye that " Your submission skills have greatly improved." Frye then said, "I spent a lot of time practicing judo." These top BJJ fighters were unable to submit these totally unknown judoka who had no title in judo and lost the bouts in NHB. That is why Frye looked so confident before the match, and he proved himself as we all know. Frye knew that by practicing authentic judo, he would be completely prepared to take on the BJJ world champion Amaury Bitetti. Don Frye spent a lot of time practicing judo before the bout with Amaury Bitetti. (3) Don Frye (2nd degree black belt in judo) defeated Amaury Bitetti (1995 world champion in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) by TKO in UFC8. He knocked out Enson Inoue in 44 seconds in 1996 Vale Tudo Japan. (2) Igor Zinoviev (Black belt but only a local (NY and NJ) title in judo) defeated Mario Sperry (3 times world champion in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu). (1) Akira Shoji (Black belt in judo but no title in judo) knocked out Wallid Ismael (8 times BJJ champion who has defeated Renzo Gracie, Ralph Gracie, and Royce Gracie) in R2 in Pride 4. Judo wins over BJJ/GJJ The following is a list of recent judoka who defeated top BJJ men.
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